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Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 18 May 2008, 12:54

I'm not going to rant on about what a piece of Nu Labour, fascist, thought police legislation this is. My only concern is that Lords amendments put put forward to exclude horror movies from this law were as far as my reading of it goes never passed, which means that presumably films like LHOTL , Late Night Trains and Emanuelle in America could in theory earn their owners 3 years at Her Majesty's. And we thought all that video nasties hysteria in the 80's was bad.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Mercury » 18 May 2008, 16:07

Yes it remains to be seen how it's all going to work out, I know some people are quite concerned about the extent of this law. When I first heard about it it seemed to be about extreme porn but now it seems to be extending to other films as well eg horror. Does sound worrying if it means that the BBFC are going to have to get much stricter again (similar to what they were in the 80's). I hope it doesn't get to that stage. At the moment though it's not 100% clear exactly what films are going to be affected. If people though are going to be prosecuted for possessing the Hostel/ Saw films then of course it would much stricter censorship is on its way. I think it's ridiculous really, the BBFC won't like it and the public certainly won't either. Apparently importing films would be quite risky as well. Looks like it might be back to the dark days for us.

Shame really just as the BBFC really try to make an effort to improve somebody comes along and spoils it.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 18 May 2008, 16:17

Yes Merc, it is very worrying indeed. If the Lords amendment had been passed, which excluded horror films from the act, it would be much more sensible. As you say, if it applies to movies rather than just porn then we are living in a Taliban state. Even with regard to porn, I really think it's no business of the state what people get up to in their bedrooms.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 18 May 2008, 18:11

To be honest, I can't see it being applied to bbfc rated stuff, but as many people import dvds from the US or Europe, it leaves them in a bad situation because of the draconian and ill thought out nature of this law. I still know people whose 'lives were blighted by the nasties nonsense and this is ten times worse. If I could persuade my OH, I'd be off from England like a shot. Civil liberties count for nought these days.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Mercury » 18 May 2008, 18:15

Yes that's true. I fail to see how it's going to work. All of a sudden people are criminals for buying something quite legally just because the law has changed. I still can't see it affecting films that have been classified by the BBFC but might be wrong. It's going to be interesting to see how it works out. Films that haven't been classified by the BBFC though and which contain extreme material seems likely to fall foul of this law. If it was only porn I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Edit: Sorry I seem to have repeated what the Dr has just said.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Mercury » 18 May 2008, 18:22

Yeah it will probably apply to the sort of stuff the BBFC already reject, so perhaps nothing will have changed in regards to their classification decisions. Let's hope so anyway. But possession of extreme material (not classified) might become a problem.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 18 May 2008, 19:03

That is the whole problem, prior to this idiocy, it was illegal to import something like Set Pieces but now it will probably be an imprisonable offence to own it, probably. No other country in the world to my knowledge would imprison somebody for owning a scripted film with fake violence acted out by actors and courtest of sfx. Does it not strike people as either insane or reminiscent of Stalin's Russia.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby HunterBFH » 18 May 2008, 19:23

Hang on..let me get this straight...that Lords' Bill in regards of these kinds of horror films (eg Saw, Hostel, etc) which are LIKELY to be banned under the new law IF that Bills goes through..we won't be able to see any more films like the above mentioned here in UK..is that correct?

I am IN full agreement with them..ONLY if it involves that "extreme" kind IN any pornography films! Cos I'm not really interested into them!...NOT when its come to just horror films eg "Saw, Hostels...etc!"...no and I am not in full agreement with them!

And yes, talk about those insane laws that we have here in UK! :x
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby HunterBFH » 18 May 2008, 20:28

Aahh I perfectly understood all of you right there! :D

Funny you should mention it Vin, I was thinking the same thing! a la " Death Wish II" :lol:
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 18 May 2008, 21:15

I think the great danger here is that it will be subjective. It will be left to the police to decide what they find obscene. An example of how this interpretation could cause major problems is Nekromantic. According to the legislation, depictions of sex with a corpse would come under the DPA. But anybody who has seen Buttgereit's film knows that the corpse is glaringly obviously a prosthetic. Yet it still depicts necrophilia. But the idea of somebody being sent to jail for owning it is patently mad.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 18 May 2008, 22:45

Vincenzo wrote:There's also a necrophile scene in Flesh For Frankenstein. Even though the BBFC passed it fully uncut 2 years ago (thus legitimising it as fit for the general public) would the DPA also find this obscene?


Indeed there is. The only defense FFF might have is that it was classified unlike Nekromantic which has never been, like all Buttgereit's films, I believe. It really is tragic farce if somebody could be sent down for owning a film for a longer period than people often get for violent assault or some paedophiles get.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Mercury » 19 May 2008, 06:07

Shame that the Nekromantik films have not been submitted to the BBFC in recent years as I'm sure they would pass mostly unscathed. Haven't seen the first but the 2nd looked acceptable to me as unpleasant and depressing as it may have been. Apart from FFF there haven't been too many films that have been classified here that contain scenes of necrophilia but I see no reason why such scenes shouldn't be passed providing that like rape/murder scenes they are faked. Surely the DPA would refer to genuine scenes, the scenes in Nekromantik are so obviously faked.

If though people were prosecuted for possessing the films that would presumably mean the BBFC would then be unable to pass them even though they probably would have if they had been submitted before. So it would have an effect on their decisions.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 19 May 2008, 09:03

Mercury wrote:Shame that the Nekromantik films have not been submitted to the BBFC in recent years as I'm sure they would pass mostly unscathed. Haven't seen the first but the 2nd looked acceptable to me as unpleasant and depressing as it may have been. Apart from FFF there haven't been too many films that have been classified here that contain scenes of necrophilia but I see no reason why such scenes shouldn't be passed providing that like rape/murder scenes they are faked. Surely the DPA would refer to genuine scenes, the scenes in Nekromantik are so obviously faked.

If though people were prosecuted for possessing the films that would presumably mean the BBFC would then be unable to pass them even though they probably would have if they had been submitted before. So it would have an effect on their decisions.


See, thats the problem with the DPA Merc, it doesn't differentiate between staged and actual. The reason being that the idiots who drafted this piece of crap ( led by Martin Salter, a god botherer in the Mary Whitehouse tradition) argued that it would put the onus on the police and DPP to prove that a scene was genuine, which they damn well should have to do. God forbid the plods should have to actually offer a cogent case for banging people up for thought crimes.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Luke » 19 May 2008, 14:55

Carnt see this effecting films the BBFC have already either, they must be using this for other material such as extreme documetries which lean to the more exploitive side or any extreme porn which they think is obscene.
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Re: Dangerous Pictures Act & Horror Movies

Postby Dr Phibes » 19 May 2008, 19:08

I've actually read the latest available blurb on the DPA. It definitely won't affect BBFC stuff. However it's not good news for collectors who import, as anything not classified will be open to siezure on the grounds that it might contravene the act and it will be subject to scrutiny by the plods. Talk about retrogressive. I thought all this crap was in the dim and distant past.
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